Beneteau First 235 Forums

nquigley · Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject: Pura Vida - Deltaville, VA - SOLD

Pura Vida (#009) is for sale!

Here's one link to the ad (if it doesn't, another is below)

See Pura Vida Ad

http://www.traditionalyachtsales.com

The broker is Rachel - she is helping me get Hull ID data for the f235 database.

Regards,

Neil
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Neil Quigley
Ericson 32-2 'Molto Bene'
Knoxville, TN
(ex - F235 #252 'Traveler')

Michael Garman · Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: Oura Vida

This is Mark Konesco's boat. He's in the database.
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Liberty Edition #22 Hull #299
Wing Keel
Hull Identification Number: BEY1A299J889

Dirk · Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Oura Vida

pictures show a fin keel ...

abstrait · Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Oura Vida

Nologic · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:46 am Post subject:

from the ad:
The first thing one notices about the Beneteau First 235 is the plumb bow, wide transom, and relatively modern appearance, somewhat mimicking the ocean transat racers. The F235 is a relatively light displacement boat that is quick and nimble with a wealth of sail area. Unfortunately, this doesn't always translate very well with in heavier air where the minimal 825lbs of ballast is not a lot for the stock 263sq ft or so of sail area, this with a mere 100% head sail. This is truly a remarkable little boat with many big boat features.

Maybe it's because I'm on my first cup of coffee but the description above stinks. I think perhaps the person that wrote this someone with little knowledge of sailboats and a very sensitve squeal-o-meter.

Maybe I need more coffee.

abstrait · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:07 am Post subject:

Nologic · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:

abstrait · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:24 am Post subject:

Michael Garman · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: Pura Vida

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!

Actually this is the boat of a former co-worker of mine. He has only been sailing for maybe 3 years. At year 2 he decided he was going to buy a Catalina, but I steered him toward the 235.

He's in Marketing, so you have to give him a break on the description...................actually, since he's in marketing, he should know better............or so you would think!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll have to send him an e-mail to explain why his boat isn't selling!!!

Regarding the boat, I have been on it, but I have not sailed on it. It has a new tappered mast. I forget the brand, but its a racing spar. It is a fin keel, and the bottom is in perfect shape. No blister! He did have the bottom repainted professionally.

At one point I was trying to work a trade with him for keels. His fin for my wing!!!! He didn't go for it. Maybe if the boat sits much longer he will.
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Liberty Edition #22 Hull #299
Wing Keel
Hull Identification Number: BEY1A299J889

abstrait · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Pura Vida

Michael Garman · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: Pura Vida

The only negative I saw was the side windows. They were replace with a thinner plexiglass. This is fine for inland sailing, but I wouldn't want thinner plexi on the ocean. They are probably fine either way. The cabin stickers have been replaced as well.
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Liberty Edition #22 Hull #299
Wing Keel
Hull Identification Number: BEY1A299J889

Nologic · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject:

Oh, for heaven's sake!
I did not mean there was anything wrong with the boat, or that there is anything wrong with the wording on the Beneteau235.com front page or any pages of the site.
The problem I see is someone is trying to sell a boat using sentences pulled out of context in such a way that do not accurately describe the boat. The ignorance I was referring to was shown by the broker who was stealing someone else’s words and doing in a way that changed the meaning of the words and was hurting the sale of the boat and her own commission.
I apologize to all who took offense at my words, who misunderstood my meanings, and who felt I was being disrespectful of the F235 or of the site owner.

Michael Garman · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: No offense taken

No offense taken at all. I hope I have not offened anyone through my postings.

Thanks for pointing the ad out. I'm sure my friend will appreciate the info.

Regarding the boat, I do know that it was professionally surveyed and checked out extremely well. The only reason it is being sold if because Marc has moved to a location with shallow water. Last he told me, he was looking for a Flying Scott to sail at his local lake.
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Liberty Edition #22 Hull #299
Wing Keel
Hull Identification Number: BEY1A299J889

abstrait · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject:

Daryl · Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: salon cushions

The upholstery is particularly nice. I saved that interior shot for whenever I get to the upholstery shop for recover.

oh yeah, I'll be sure to advertise my ineffective, reverse tapered keel when I want to sell <g>

SORRY, couldn't resist

Dirk

does anybody know if this "craddle" on the pics would do for a shipping transport ?

Thx & regards
Dirk
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Alveola
'93 ~ EU367 ~ Swing Keel

nquigley

Dirk · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:59 am Post subject:

Hi & thx for the reply. What if you weld those 5 jack together? should work, in my opinion...thing is the shipping companies charge some 400- 500 $ to build a craddle for the boat.
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Alveola
'93 ~ EU367 ~ Swing Keel

KC49111 · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:17 pm Post subject:

Hi Dirk, I'm not sure what distance you need to cover, but you should be able to find a boat carrier with an adjustable trailer so that a shipping cradle isn't needed. If the company is deadheading homewards or bringing another boat 33' or less, a 235 will fit on back for a reduced rate. Mine hitched a ride behind a brand new Hunter coming from Florida to Vancouver. That way I knew the boat was getting here one way or another, although it's never inexpensive. I used American Boat Carriers who do a lot of Beneteau/Hunter transports.
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Dirk · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject:

thank you, excellent idea,
distance would be cross North Atlantic to Europe (Germany, Netherlands, also Belgium would be ok)
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Alveola
'93 ~ EU367 ~ Swing Keel

Dirk · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:37 am Post subject:

just wanted to make a binding offer but saw they increased! the price about 2.000.-. I wonder what has happened....
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Alveola
'93 ~ EU367 ~ Swing Keel

abstrait · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:33 am Post subject:

Dirk · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:51 am Post subject:

yes, if you follow the link, its stull the same ( but see its written "inactve"),
watch this: http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_details.jsp?searchtype=buy&showDL=false&showMD=false&back=session&entityid=13986261&searchid=1

hmmm... or www.boats.com

search for used sailboats, beneteau, 23ft
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Alveola
'93 ~ EU367 ~ Swing Keel

abstrait · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject:

First the pretty sad description with the wrong choice of words, than the unexplained INCREASE in price of 2,000 (and they kept the line about the keel!).

They are batting some serious numbers with this sale! Lordy.

What's next?

Owner wants her gone NOW!
Just increased price ANOTHER 2000!
11,900 or BUST!

Latest Pura Vida Ad from Broker

Not to take anything away from this boat as it seemed like a good deal but the strategy of this sale has been a near mystery from the start.
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'89 "clear" WK | Hull #327
www.beneteau235.com

Daryl · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: philosophical roots

Perhaps they are followers of the famous French philosopher Norman Vincent Beneteau, who established the school of irrational positivism. Irrational Positivism assures its adherents of getting 'better' every day in every way if only they maintain a steadfast view of the brighter side of any situation. Irrational Positivist can be identified most clearly by their cries. Common utterances include, "The glass is half full!" and "I have a plan!" Adherents west of the Atlantic are becoming rarer with Al Franken standing out as the most visible follower. It is rumored that a coven of positivist exist in a small area formerly in the state of Virginia known now as 'capitol hill'

Norman Vincent was the patriarch of a large clan whose members are most notable by their refusal to have contact with each other. Decendents can be found throughout the Continent in fields of banking, wine making, yacht manufacter and trafficking various commodities, some said to be human. This is not verified.

Should you encounter an Irrational Positivist, it is imperative you remain calm and not provoke the adherent in any way. If encountered domestically, a call to Homeland Security is perhaps in order.